13. I Love New Mexico Cinema: Guillermo Tilley & Al LaFleur talk the Jean Cocteau

Episode Transcript

Bunny: (00:00)
Hi there. I’m Bunny Terry, and you’re listening to the I Love New Mexico podcast. Whether you’re a native new Mexican, who’s lived here for your entire life, or you’re just considering a visit, this episode is for you. Join us as we share a lot of New Mexico stories, Talk about all things New Mexico, and include topics like what’s magical here, where are you ought to visit, what’s happening, and the things you absolutely cannot miss in the land of Enchantment. We’re excited that you’re here and we can’t wait to show you what an amazing place New Mexico is, because let’s face it, I love New Mexico.

Bunny: (00:49)
I’m so excited today we have with us some. Uh, so first I wanna say the coolest thing about this podcast is that I get the chance to sit down and have conversations with people that I might not normally meet in, in my day to day activities, Although this pair works at and manages, uh, um, a place in Santa Fe that I’ve been to, I, I can’t say hundreds of times, but dozens of times. And that I love and, um, that, you know, most of you may be familiar with because of this slightly, um, famous owner. But, um, I am with Guillermo Tilley and Al Lafleur who are part of the High Garden Entertainment group that runs the, the Jean Cocteau Cinema . And, I’m just gonna read directly from your website. The Jean Cocteau Cinema is Santa Fe’s eclectic movie house, full bar, special events menu operated by our friend George R.R. Martin, or at least your friend any day.

Bunny: (01:55)
Now, I know he’s gonna wanna be my friend, but, um, what a cool place. I, um, and I started coming. I moved back to, I moved to Santa Fe. I’m a native new Mexican, but I moved to Santa Fe in 2012, and I lived in the rail yard, and I used to go over and sit and hang out in the bar and, you know, hope to clean glasses with George. But what, uh, what an amazing, um, first, what an amazing, um, save for him to decide to buy that building, but also to, to create this place that’s just, it’s different from any place in, I think, in Santa Fe or in New Mexico. But first, I wanna hear about you. I’d like Guillermo tell us who you are, a tiny piece of your New Mexico story, and then we’ll go to Al and then I wanna hear all about what you’re doing now at the cinema.

Guillermo: (02:47)
Well, first of all, I just wanna say Bunny, it’s, it’s interesting that you have Al and I on together here, because we are, we sit on the polar opposites of our, our experience here in New Mexico. I’ve been in this lovely city now for 27 years. Al just arrived back in July. Yeah,

Bunny: (03:07)
Wow.

Al: (03:08)
Three And a half months. Yeah,

Guillermo: (03:10)
. So we have these two really kind of unique perspectives. Um, I’ve been in Santa Fe 27 years, um, my favorite city in the world still to this day. Um, and, you know, the opportunity to, to be here and to work at a place like High Garden and to bring the John Cocteau back to, I believe it’s rightful places, one of the unique spaces in Santa Fe and, and probably New Mexico is just a thrill.

Al: (03:37)
Yeah. So, yeah, I’m super new. Um, I actually only visited Santa Fe back in December. Um, so I’m gonna come up on my one year of just even coming here for the first time. Been in LA for 11 years doing marketing and social media, and wanted to get out desperately the last few years. And tried to find a place that not only had arts and things going on, but was kind of a smaller town close to nature. And here Santa Fe was. Um, and then I kind of hopped on board, um, about a month before I came out. I kind of just saw listing for this job, and it kind of hit all these amazing points, um, of like a reason why I wanted to kind of shift into something that gave back to a community with the arts. And I think that’s what we’re doing here. So kind of hit that, that personal level. Not so much a career, a career goal, but just moving to a city and being able to raise voices in the community was really important to me. And that’s luckily exactly what we’re doing. So.

Bunny: (04:38)
Well, tell me, I, you know, I know that you were shutter during the, um, and maybe with the theater, maybe with cinema. The word is that you were darkened during the pandemic, but you sort of came out of that with a roar talk. Tell me what happened when you shut down and then you opened back up.

Guillermo: (04:57)
Well, we reopened the theater. We actually op reopened the theater back in October of 2021. But before we did that we really needed to rethink who we were going to be coming out of this period, you know, that I think most of us refer to as the pandemic. The theater had been shuttered, you know, we weren’t playing any films. There was some virtual things going on, but, you know, having physical people in the theater, having film making popcorn, that kind of came to a screaming halt. But the big question I think coming out is, you know, we don’t know when we’re gonna get through this completely, when people will be able to gather again, um, what’s, what can we do at this time? And what we decided to do was to do this massive rethinking of the Jean Cocteau, which included, you know, three, um, open to the public conversations that we had related to the Jean Cocteau and what it meant in this community. Who did you wanna see at the cocktail? What did you wanna see at the John Cocktail? And if any role there would be for the theater in terms of the, the booming at this point, uh, film industry in New Mexico. So we went through a series of these conversations and, um, what we learned was that people, yes, they did want the Jean Cocteau to come back, but they wanted a very dynamic range of, of, uh, entertainment. Film was great, and they always want film to be a part of this theater, and I do as well. But I think we realize that we had to diversify. So we use that period to kind of learn some lessons. The Santa Feans, you know, really responded robustly to our calls, outs, our surveys, and you know, we learned a lot about the community. And so what we have today, um, a year later, you know, almost that, um, we’re, we’re doing that our offerings are much more diverse, I think in terms of, you know, you’ve got film one day, you have perhaps comedy the next, and then you have a seminar perhaps, or something along those lines.

Guillermo: (07:13)
So we’re, we’re doing things differently, um, but we’re also responding and reaching out to our community differently as well. And that’s one of the big reasons that we brought Al on board. We, we really needed a, we wanted a particular voice in terms of our social media, in terms of our outreach, and, um, we found the perfect candidate who happened to be wanting to move to Santa Fe. So ,

Bunny: (07:36)
That’s always, yeah, that’s always an issue. And didn’t you find, I mean, I just, I think that maybe, um, you know, people learn, you know, people who weren’t previously sitting at home and streaming or watching movie. I mean, they figured out that that’s one of the things they could do at home. It’s almost like they once, once everything opened back up, instead of sitting in front of a screen, they really wanted an interactive experience. Right,

Guillermo: (08:02)
Right, right. For sure. You know, we’ve learned and we have changed as a community, not only, you know, locally, but also nationally. So things have shifted tremendously in quite a very short period of time. Um, and so we really came out with this idea, we really need to establish ourself pretty quickly in terms of who we are and what we’re doing. Um, and then be very, very, um, flexible and adaptable into what’s coming down the line next. Uh, I mean, if you think about it, just in a couple of short years, you know the entire industry in terms of film and media has changed radically. And so we’re, we’re doing our best, um, to keep up with that and if not be kind of the tip of the sphere.

Bunny: (08:46)
That’s exciting. So, as I said to you, last night, I met Brandy who runs the Sunday, What, what do you call that? I, what is that event called?

Al: (08:58)
The Sunday Get Down Drag Brunch

Bunny: (09:00)
. Yes. Yes.So that, I think that’s just a really good example of, um, something you wouldn’t expect to find in a, in a movie theater. And yet you’re doing that, You’re doing, I mean, you, it seems like you have slots every week or at least once a month for really interesting community events. I’d love to hear about some of those el what’s,

Al: (09:24)
Yeah, so we have a few monthly events that we try and do, um, with members of our community. So like Brandy, for instance. I, most of the proceeds go to different charities for that. So, um, that’s a really cool thing that we do with Brandy and a lot of the local drag community in New Mexico in general, not just Santa Fe obviously. Um, we also have Carlos Medina. He runs a couple programs with us. We have our all Fierce comedy. It’s kind of like a variety show, I would say. Um, and then we also have, um, Muko Days Musicall, which pulls in music from, um, New Mexico as a whole. We’re trying to pull in different styles again. Um, I think one of the things we’re learning with these programs, we have, um, our improv comedy with Faculty Lounge and Stage Santa Fe we work with. Um, but we’re really trying to pull in kind of pillars of the community to work with, to kind of spread the word on the arts and, um, create kind of these different shows that you can always expect from us. Um, and again, trying to bring more than just film within those programs

Bunny: (10:28)
To tell. Tell me, I’m curious, what, what’s faculty lounge improv? What happens there? that’s,

Al: (10:34)
I’ll let you take that one over.

Bunny: (10:36)
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Guillermo: (10:38)
Um, yeah, we started a collaboration with State Santa Fe last year. Um, the idea being they’re building, um, kind of an educational venue for people who wanna learn improv.

Bunny: (10:51)
Did you, did you, I’m sorry, um, Guillermo, did you say stage Santa Fe?

Guillermo: (10:57)
Yeah, Stage Santa Fe. Okay.

Guillermo: (10:59)
Which Is local, um, organization here in town, uh, led by Peter Sills. And what they wanted to do is they have, they literally have a body of faculty members who teaches these courses and, and they do their own improv. They do most of their improv in Albuquerque, or had, at least in the past. And they wanted a place to bring improv to Santa Fe. And it’s fun. I mean, the bottom line is if you really wanna go out and just laugh Yeah. and let it all out because you’ve just had two and a half years of craziness in your life. Um, it’s the perfect, really is the perfect piece to attend. Very talented group. And they come in and they, and they do improv and it’s, it’s them doing improv. I wanna remind people, this is a show, so it’s not like you’re gonna show up and somebody’s gonna go, Hey, you and the audience, you gotta come. Which I hear people are concerned about, but

Bunny: (11:56)
No, thank God. Yeah,

Guillermo: (11:57)
Yeah. Right.

Guillermo: (12:00)
A whole different show. Yeah, it’s a show. It’s a lot of fun. Um, and they bring guests from all over the world of improv. Um, we’ve had, Matt Besser and Neil Casey just recently, so some of the best improv people in the United States, you know, in terms of that world. Uh, they come in and they do a show here at the cocktail. So it’s just a part, as Al mentioned earlier, it’s a part of this kind of like monthly, um, uh, foundation if you will, of, of different acts that we bring in just to keep things consistent. You know, we want it to be here for, if you can’t make it in this period because of whatever reason, then come next month. Right. Kind of a deal. And then on top of that, then we get all kinds of creative mm-hmm.

Bunny: (12:44)
and you do geeks who drink every Monday night. Right. Which is torture for me, cuz I think I’m really, um, amazingly good at trivia. And then I find out that I’m actually kind of old . I went, I went not long ago and I was like, Wait a second. I don’t, I’m, I’m sort of missing some pop culture leaks in there. But, um, saying

Guillermo: (13:09)
I don’t retain that kind of information Geeks Who Drinks, you know, again, it’s, it’s, it is the platform that’s nationally known, but we do it a bit differently. Our spin is instead of being in the bar environment, um, you sit in the theater and everything is projected and it’s, it’s very much more interactive. And what you find is because you don’t have the typical bar environments around you, people get really serious. They get these teams going and there’s all this strategy going on. You can still have your favorite cocktail. We still provide that obviously, but it’s just a little bit different of a twist on it, and it’s a lot of fun people who come really enjoy themselves.

Bunny: (13:50)
Well, let’s talk about the bar piece. So, I know that you completely redid the interior of the theater. Am I right?

Guillermo: (13:58)
Correct.

Bunny: (14:00)
And um, you ha because I went, the last time I sat in the theater, it was in the old seats. Wow. It was like, it’s from the seventies at one point . Right. That’s, I mean, that’s when the theater was built. Am I right? I,

Guillermo: (14:16)
Yeah, the, yeah, the theater was built back in in 1976.

Bunny: (14:20)
Yeah. And you did a complete revamp, um, and you have a full bar.

Guillermo: (14:29)
Yeah. Kind of going back to the piece where we started the conversation about High Garden Hangouts, the one survey question that got more responses than others, and probably the most comments was Love the intimate space. We need new seats, You know, and just went on and on and on throughout the surveys. So my commitment to the community was that, okay, we hear you we’re gonna put new seats in. And so we shut the theater down in March and April of this past year, and we completely renovated the space. So we have, you know, very comfortable seats now. Um, we’ve completely realigned what you, you experience so that you get better, uh, sightlines for watching movies or listening to programming. And it is just a great space. Now, the bar has been here for a while, and so the bar is in its current incarnation is not new, but we have, what I believe, and, and I’ll just go out on in record in saying this, we have one of the best mixologists in, in the state of New Mexico. I agree. Agree. Also managers, Art theater, and Mr. Evan Schultz. Um, and so what we’re doing there now is, is is creating kind of this new, uh, just a whole new environment, a new bar environment, everything from our, you know, making our own, um,

Al: (15:53)
I mean, we make our own, you know, we’ll have a drink that has, you know, dried strawberry dust on it and he’ll not only freeze dry the strawberries, he’ll create it into dust and then put it on the cocktail in a pattern. And it’s just like, pretty much everything you have here isn’t just bought off of a shelf. It’s truly made by hand. If something’s infused, you know, spirit, it’s because we infused it in a house. He really takes everything and, and he doesn’t want it to taste like anything else. Right. I think that’s the thing is you can go to a bar, you can get, um, a margarita and it’s great. Right? But we can’t just do that here. He can’t just do that here. It’s how can we make this different So when you come here, you have an experience that you can’t have anywhere else in Santa Fe. And I think that’s what even makes with our programming with the bar, You know, one of the things that we do now, if you come see a program, you’re gonna have a themed cocktail with it. And that’s the only time that you can have that cocktail, you know.

Bunny: (16:46)
Well, I just saw that, um, you did for, um, your, when you showed Killer Clowns, you had a themed killer Moto Margarita. Yep. , which was pretty, um, I mean it was gorgeous. I don’t know how it tasted who had one

Al: (17:02)
Oh, a couple . I’m the test taste around that. Um, but yeah, I mean that’s an example is, is we make sure the names themed the drinks themed around it in some way. And again, that had candy floss or cotton candy on the top of it, and that’s all made it. Yeah. We have a cotton candy in between four, things like that is cuz where else? I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever had a drink that had cotton candy on it for in my life. No. So, and again, housemate too on top of that. So, and it was the best cotton candy, it was raspberry and yeah, so we really try and create this, I think one of our things with programming with the bar, with the new seats and everything is to create this 360 experience. So you’re not just going to a theater, getting a fountain drink and getting popcorn and sitting down. It really is, you know, we try our best to make it an experience that you can’t truly can’t get anywhere else when it, especially when it comes to our programming and our drinks. And we have custom charcuterie too, so I don’t know where else you can get that

Bunny: (18:04)
. Wow. And, and, and it’s still, I mean, if, if I understand your pro programming correctly, you’re still, I mean, I mean this was an art house. This was an art cinema house. And so art, art house, cinema, I don’t even know if I’m using the right term sometimes I just make stuff up as I’m going along. But, but the Jean Cocteau was always known as being an art house and you’re still, it looks to me like you’re programming is still very eclectic Yeah. In terms of the movie.

Al: (18:33)
Yeah, I think again, we’re still letting the, um, Guillermo was speaking of, you know, doing the surveys and, and seeing where the Santa fans want us to go with programming or what they want from the cinema. And I think we’re still really trying to stay attuned to what are people wanting to see? And again, being such a small town, having, you know, other cinemas around us, what can, again, what can we offer that’s different than them? We’re not here to compete. We’re just here to give people a different experience.

Bunny: (19:03)
Well you’re, it seems like you’re here to contribute to the community. That’s how it feels to me as

Guillermo: (19:08)
An outsider. Exactly. And, and, and I think you used, um, in a conversation before the podcast Bunny used the word an event space. I mean, that’s really what we’ve become. So much so that

Bunny: (19:19)
Talk about that piece because I know that I saw on your website where you can now rent the space when we, or you can and or, or somebody can let you curate an event for them. Am I right? Talk about that.

Guillermo: (19:32)
Well, you know, we keep going back to this, you know, conversation and, and survey we did in last year. And it’s a trend in the industry. I mean, when we follow the news of what’s going on, particularly with small theaters, independent theaters throughout communities in this great country of ours, um, we’re having to shift. We were having to wear many hats. And when we renovated the theater, we, we set it up so that the entire front end of the theater now is no longer one of it’s kind of no longer one unified break. It’s a very, um, uh, what would be the word? Kind of an interesting setup. But we’ve got a large space up front that’s very what we call a flex space. So you still have your seating, uh, your stadium type seating. But now we’ve got this space where we can do everything from mobile furniture that we can configure around the states, for example, for drag brunch. Yep. Or we clear it outta the way. So we have a dance place or a place for, um, a small safe two or three person performance. Um, we also have a flex stage that we can bring in now that will allow us to grow. So we can play an individual who might be singing, uh, with a guitar or it could be a full band now. So the idea being is we, we, we can kind of reconfigure this, um, and play with it to suit the need of the particular group if it’s a rental or, or for, for collaborating on a project. Like we’ve got some really exciting stuff coming up in December.

Al: (21:01)
Um,

Guillermo: (21:02)
That, you know, that we got the space to do that now.

Al: (21:05)
Yeah. Yeah. But anyone can rent it. We do, we actually just did a wedding reception, um, the other weekend. Um, we had a 13 year old birthday party where we had video games, you know, played on the big snow. Um, yeah, we really can, again, with our capacity of, of 76, you know, we can kind of do whatever whatever’s needed. Um, you know, staff parties, holiday parties. So it’s really whatever you want to use the space for, we probably can make it happen.

Bunny: (21:37)
Uh, that was my next question was what Guillermo just alluded to. What’s, what’s coming up that you want people to get on their calendar right now? Can you tell us or is it a secret ?

Guillermo: (21:50)
Well, um, it’s one part I think I wanted to share with, and this kind of touches back on, on, on Evan, um, his presence here at Jean Cocteau for us we’re using the current bar configuration as an experiment. And that experiment will lead to, um, a very exciting new bar space that we hope to open in 2023 called Milk of the Poppies. And we’re, we’re very actively involved in the design and, uh, permitting phase now. And, um, we hope to get that again up and going probably winter of 2023 with an opening somewhere closer to spring. So that’s one piece that we’re super excited about. You know, you a person will actually have a real bar and, um, we do, and Evan does a lot out of this very small space we have now, but you know, now we’ll have a place where we can actually even offer more functionality, more space.

Guillermo: (22:47)
And it’s gonna be truly unique. It’s nothing gonna be like it’s in Santa Fe. Um, but our performances are going to, uh, are gonna shift up as well in terms of, for example, we’re gonna actually be running a, a program of play, um, starting in December, uh, for two weekends in a row. I can’t quite release the title just yet cause we’re still kind of in the conversation point, but, you know, a live play here. Yeah. Consecutive weekends with a group here in New Mexico, you know, from New Mexico in New Mexico. Um, these are just some of the little things that we’re gonna be bringing to the table, not only this winter, but also moving into 22, 23. So we’re only gonna become more diverse in terms of our offerings.

Bunny: (23:32)
So if you have a… I can only assume that you, I mean, we have a lot of conventions that come to town. Do you, can you can a group, you know, if I don’t know if Apple decides to come to Santa Fe for a weekend, they can, they can rent your space and use it for corporate meetings. Has that happened?

Guillermo: (23:52)
Um, we haven’t had anything as of yet. Um, but we, we do have a profile on unique venues, which is a national and international website for unique venues for conferences and groups and things of that nature. We would love to have apples Yes. come in here

Bunny: (24:09)
With us and, and I’ll show up and interview somebody. Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s do it. Let’s promote Absolutely. . And, and, and I don’t, and I think we can’t talk about the space unless we talk about the books. What’s what? I mean, you still have that, I assume I haven’t been in there since before the pandemic.

Guillermo: (24:29)
I’ll let you tell him the exciting news. Wait, what? Bunny. We do have the books. Um, we, George actually made the, the movement to go ahead and, and create an independent bookstore back in, I think it was November of 2019. And of course, we shut down quite quickly, unfortunately, by the pandemic. We reopened the bookstore actually as a first phase. And that was back in March of 2021. Um, we have Beasley books, which is, we’re hoping we’ll be one of the best speculative fiction bookstores in the country. And we have a fantastic individual, our master of story, Mr. Twig Deluge, who oversees and curates this really unique bookstore. It’s amazing. So if you love books, I gotta tell you, this is a shameless push. You gotta come to be sweet folks.

Bunny: (25:26)
And as I recall when I first was hanging out there and would sometimes, you know, get to visit with George r r Martin in the bar with the books, every once in a while I’d run up on a signed copy of his books. And I saw on your, um, website that you, you have, um, somebody doing a signing soon. Am I wrong?

Guillermo: (25:49)
Am I right? Yeah, that is correct. Um, we’re, it’s, it’s a full functioning bookstore. Independent little bookstore. Um, we do book signings, we do community events. We’ve got game night. You can get coffee if you wanna stay late. Yeah. If you wanna stay late in the afternoon, you can also get Sake or a curated Japanese beer. Mm-hmm. . It is a living, breathing entity that we’re super proud of and that really stands independently. Um, so you’ve got this wonderful, cool, funky, eclectic arthouse theater on one side, and you’ve got a bookstore right next door. And they, they lived and breathed together so well. And I think the only

Bunny: (26:32)
Way I’m kind of a bookie and I’m like, what, what mortgage you want than a bookstore where you could also have a cocktail .

Guillermo: (26:39)
Right, right,

Bunny: (26:41)
Right. Come on.

Al: (26:43)
There’s nothing better than Bran for a book with

Guillermo: (26:45)
A Yeah. Trick

Al: (26:46)
In your

Guillermo: (26:46)
Hand. You know, again, you know, Twig has curated this shop where we still carry, you know, all the signed works of George R. Martin. Um, but we have a lot of other works in there. We do have collectibles in there. We’ve got a lot of signed copy for various authors, both local, regional, and national mm-hmm. . It’s, it’s just a great place to come. And, and I highly recommend if you’re in, you know, down on a Saturday morning at the farmer’s market, you know, swing by the shop, take a look. I see. It’s one of those things where I really believe it’s gonna see for yourself. No, for yourself.

Bunny: (27:20)
I agree. And, so I just have to ask both of you, is this like the coolest job in the world?

Al: (27:27)
It’s my favorite job I’ve had Yeah. And by far ,

Guillermo: (27:31)
It’s, Yeah. This is it. It is honest. It’s an honor and it’s a thrill. Yeah. Um, it’s work. You know, we, we, we all work very, very hard. We’re a small team doing a lot of different things. We all wear mini hats in a day, but at the end of the day, what, what can one say? And it might be the best job in, in Santa Fe, I don’t know if I’m getting ahead of myself there, but

Bunny: (27:54)
I don’t know, sometimes I think I have the best job doing these interviews. You guys probably get a check when you’re done at the end of the day, . But, so, so I just, I tell us very quickly, I mean, if somebody’s listening, maybe somebody’s listening who is in town for three or four days, give us a quick rundown of your hours and, um, where they can find you. We’ll put links to the website. I, you know, you’re on Instagram, you’re on several different platforms, But give me, give, if somebody’s listening right this minute and they’re thinking, Well, I’d like to run over there, but what’s the story? What, when can they find you? Where can they find you?

Al: (28:34)
, we have this joke that we’re open, the cinema’s open from open to close. Those are our hours. , but slow

Bunny: (28:41)
In Mexico.

Al: (28:43)
Yes. Um, I would say typically though, you can find us, Um, we like to open our bar around 4:00 PM um, uh, obviously we’re open Mondays for Geeks Who Drink. We like to, um, we always say to, you don’t have to come and see a show. You can just come and hang out. Typically, any of us will talk your ear off. We’ll hang out with you if you’re by yourself. You can grab a cocktail, We’ll grab a snack and hang out with us at the cinema. Um, the bookstore’s closed Monday, Tuesday, um, and then open from 11 the seven most days. And then on the weekends, I think those hours are a little bit, they close a little bit earlier,

Bunny: (29:17)
But So it’s next door on the west side, right?

Al: (29:21)
Yeah. Yeah. So it’s just the little corner right here on, uh, Montezuma Stop. You hop off the train, you can come say hi. Nice.

Bunny: (29:30)
Nice. Yeah. And, um, we’ll put links to your social media and to the website and tell me if there’s anything I’ve missed that you wanna be sure people know about the Jean Cocktail Cinema. I’m

Al: (29:41)
Trying to think. I think the big thing is we’re here. Yeah. , we’re open and we’re gonna be here. Yes. . So come see us.

Bunny: (29:50)
I just want people to know that at the very beginning when we were talking, when I was saying, How do I introduce you? I said, You know, who, who do I introduce first? And, and Guillermo said, there’s, you can’t see it, but there’s a sign that says, Check your ego at the door. And I thought, that’s so, I mean, that’s sort of how I felt when I have had a, um, an encounter with your boss. It’s like, this is not a guy who knows he’s has like, he, like I’m totally fan grilling him. He’s just, you know, everybody, um, over there seems to be very grounded and interested and having fun. Am I right? Yeah.

Al: (30:29)
We, I’m glad it comes off that way cause that’s how it feels. Again, we’re such a small team that it’s really hard to, to make this stuff happen and have an ego in the way of that. So.

Bunny: (30:39)
Nice. Well, I’m envious. I know you’re both, you’re having great fun. And I’m, I’m coming over for a drink tomorrow afternoon, . Right. Thanks so much for being on the podcast. We’re gonna, we’re gonna pump you up. We’re gonna let know what’s going

Al: (30:53)
On. Thank you so much for having us. Really appreciate.