I Love NM Farm & Ranch Heritage Museum: Heather Reed

Episode Transcript

Bunny: (00:00)
Hi there. I’m Bunny Terry, and you’re listening to the I Love New Mexico podcast. Whether you’re a native new Mexican, Who’s lived here for your entire life, or you’re just considering a visit, this episode is for you. Join us as we share a lot of New Mexico stories, talk about all things New Mexico, and include topics like what’s magical here, where you ought to visit, what’s happening, and the things you absolutely cannot miss in the land of Enchantment. We’re excited that you’re here, and we can’t wait to show you what an amazing place New Mexico is, because let’s face it, I love New Mexico Today on the I Love New Mexico podcast. We are talking to somebody who has, what I consider one of my, would be one of my favorite jobs in the world, um, because as, as my listeners know, um, I was raised on a farm in Northeastern New Mexico. So I have a specials place in my heart for the New Mexico Farm and Ranch Heritage Museum, which is in Las Cruces. And today I’m talking to Heather Reid, who is a division director at the Farm and Ranch Heritage Museum. And, and Heather, before we begin, before I, before I ask you a lot of questions, I just gotta tell you, I love the way that your, uh, website defi describes what the museum is. It’s, it’s, and so far, our listeners, I wanna read it. It says, for at least 4,000 years, people have been growing food in the region, and the New Mexico Farm and Ranch Heritage Museum tells this amazing story through interactive ex exhibits, et cetera. Um, here’s my favorite line… “It’s a story of survival, ingenuity, and hope. And the reason I love that line is because my dad, as a dryland farmer, was his life as a story of survival, ingenuity, and hope. And, and that’s what farming and ranching is all about in New Mexico.” But it, and then, and then the website said, says that, um, it connects generations and weaves together people from various cultures that are uniquely new Mexican. And, um, you know, uh, uh, New Mexico is uniquely, um, itself. So it seems perfect that we get to talk to you today. So, Heather, tell me about what you do every day and, and who you are, how you got to do this.

Heather: (02:37)
Oh, goodness. Uh, okay. Well, which one do you want first?

Bunny: (02:40)
, you get to choose

Heather: (02:43)
. Okay. Um, well, you did a lovely intro there on who we are. Um, one things that really attracted me to the Farm and Ranch Museum, um, as I was, you know, expanding my career, um, I, I do come from a farming background as well, but it’s different than most museums. And if, if you haven’t been here, we have 47 acres. We have a wonderful museum that does tell, you know, the thousands of years of history, but we also have livestock. Uh, we have 20 acres with livestock, and you can go down there and see the animals. Um, but it’s a gathering place. It is not your, your typical museum where you’ve got the red velvet rope and you have to whisper. And, you know, this is a place where you’re right, it’s a community center. People come together. Um, it is as much about showcasing the present as it is about representing the past. I mean, it is 100% a gathering place. Um, you know, kids are here every day, four-h years are here, putting their projects up. Um, and, and I love that, you know, it is, it is not your traditional museum, and it’s perfect.

Bunny: (03:42)
Well, I told you that I, I went in the very beginning, the museum, um, became it, I mean, it became what it is now in 1998, you said. And I was there at some point early, early in its inception. And then I went to a wedding there at, I would say 2005 or six. It’s, I gotta tell you, it’s the coolest place to have a wedding in the state, if not mm-hmm. in the United States. I it’s so cool. I love it.

Heather: (04:11)
We have a beautiful view of the Oregon Mountains. I mean, and in the morning, the sun comes up over the mountains and the birds are chirping, and it’s beautiful out here, .

Bunny: (04:21)
So, tell us a little bit about what’s go, I, I’d love to hear about the, um, permanent exhibits first because mm-hmm. . I think, you know, our listeners may be thinking, well, what, you know, you got a bunch of old farm implements and, um, um, tell, tell us what’s, what’s unexpected if, if, if somebody’s never been there?

Heather: (04:45)
No, and that’s the perfect way to set it up. Uh, we do have traditional exhibits that, that really lay the groundwork for the hundreds and thousands of years of the history of New Mexico farming and ranching. And, you know, it, it’s difficult to use the word farming and ranching when those are very modern terms. Um, native American cultures, you know, a thousand years ago, didn’t say Welcome to my ranch. So those, those words are there , um, almost in the vernacular just to, to set people up for what they’re, what they will be seeing. Uh, but we do recognize that it was a much different culture. Soon you go through our main galleries. They are 25 years old, it’s our 25th anniversary year, yay, in May. You can go through and really get a good foundation for all of that. But we do have rotating exhibits, and those are everything from artwork, uh, from local artists who it might be photographs or watercolors, and they depict what agriculture means to them. And we rotate those out every four or five months. Uh, so we represent agriculture that way. You know, we have lots of, we call it wheels and gears, the, the wagons, the farm implements, like you’re talking about for the gear heads. But then we have those living history components as well. We actually have, uh, demonstrators who do weaving or chair caning, blacksmithing, so you can come in and watch people doing these skills, uh, that, that even our grandparents, you know, grew up, um, doing. So that, that’s neat to watch. Uh, probably my favorite exhibit is a very simple, um, wall exhibit that rotates every four months. It’s called Her Land, women in Agriculture.

Heather: (06:19)
And we feature, either a recent history, a current woman or an up and coming young female in the agricultural field. So this is a way for when, like you said, you, you came to a wedding here, even if you don’t come here for the museum, you walk by this exhibit. And the school children walked by, and recently we had a college girl on the wall, and these kids walking by fifth graders look up and they’re like, I know her. She was in my forage club, and she’s on the wall in a museum being recognized for her contributions to agriculture. So when I say that we are a community gathering place, it, it really truly is. We recognize the foundation that our ancestors laid for us, but then we also recognize, wanna recognize what we have built on top of that. And then being able to recognize the women who have contributed to the field is very important as well.

Bunny: (07:09)
And, you also, I saw, is is this a permanent exhibit or is it something, um, well, or is it not the Billy the Kid? What, what is, what is, I saw that on your website,

Heather: (07:21)
. Yeah, that project, uh, started before I began working here. Um, and then of course, with the whole, um, the big pause in our lives that we took in 2020, in 2021, I got put on hold. Uh, they wrapped it up about a year ago. It talks about the livestock industry. Um, and Billy, the kid is kind of the vehicle to tell the story. Um, it’s that hook to get people in the door. Um, and then it ties this famous story to, okay, why is that such a famous story other than the shoot ’em up part, you know, the, the livestock industry, the impact that it had on the state, and just how important It’s, um, the other thing is we also have, uh, so our, our museum is part of the Department of Cultural Affairs, and we have about 15 or 16 museums in historic sites around the state. And one of ’em is Lincoln. So we’re able to kind of tell our story and then connect it to one of our se uh, our sister Sipes and say, okay, we, you know, we wet your whistle now, head on to Lincoln and, and actually go to the place where it happened.

Bunny: (08:20)
That, well, the reason I mentioned that is because everybody is so fascinated, still mm-hmm. always about that story. But, um, I have, um, some connection, distant, distant c aunt cousin, somebody who, um, is, um, was Ken to John Chisholm. And so that’s a, that’s a, I mean, I have some attraction. I wanna come down and take a look at it just because of that connection. But, um, and you have, I mean, other than you, you said you had had animals, um, I mean, this is a, this is really a family gathering place. So what would your kids do other than look at exhibits? What would kids do if you brought them down for a day?

Heather: (09:06)
Well, we have a couple of different, uh, options. Uh, we have our adventure crowd, which is for the, the little bitty ones. Um, uh, a room where they can climb up into a barn and actually ride little tractors and plant their crops. Um, so those are for the, for the itty bitty ones. We just renovated our dairy barn. That was actually the first building here, uh, before our main campus was built, everything. And we renovated that this past October. And it is a completely refreshed, um, children’s exploration area. It’s very interactive. There’s, um, hands on, there’s a giant milk carton table that you can sit at. There’s a big, uh, wheel of cheese, um, giant sticks of butter, cows all over the wall. I mean, it is, you walk in and everything is just brightly colored. You wanna, um, explore, there’s a couple of different, like, pillars where you can, or kiosk where you can walk around and there’s something on all four sides. Um, so that, that’s our, our newest exhibit. And I have to mention, we have the most amazing team here. Everything we do is completely done in-house. So we have a research and writing team, and then we have an exhibit, exhibit development team, graphic designers, uh, huge, uh, print workshop, uh, woodworking shop. Every exhibit you’ve seen is done completely in-house, start to finish.

Bunny: (10:24)
Wow. Wow. I’m really, I’m really dying to get there. And you have a greenhouse, right?

Heather: (10:31)
We do have a greenhouse, yes. We have a landscaper on staff. I don’t know how he does it. He grows all these amazing plants. Uh, we actually have plant sales as well, um, that those are always a big hit. But yeah, you can come in and use the greenhouse, check those out. We have school programs, uh, for the children about the, uh, the greenhouse. Um, we also have cart tours. I don’t know if I mentioned that. So it is a big property, and especially when it gets hot out , you really don’t wanna walk at all. So we have volunteers who will lead you on a, or take you on a golf cart around the property and talk to you about all the different breeds of livestock, the greenhouse, and, and tell you the story, of Farm Ranch. Sounds pretty neat.

Bunny: (11:16)
And, another exhibit, and this is really near and dear to me, because I think this is an art that, um, and, you know, people who see, um, saddles and tack don’t get what an amazing art it is. So talk about that exhibit. I it’s another one I wanna see really soon.

Heather: (11:34)
. Yeah. We do have an exhibit, um, that, that focused on, on the scale, the art of leather working, um, everything from saddle making to just the general working with leather. And that is one that we definitely wanna, um, refresh. It’s beautiful. But it has been there for a while and we have more back in storage. So we’re talking about rotating some of those out, expanding it so that you can actually see more of, of the weather work that we have.

Bunny: (11:59)
So I’m really curious about the process that the, that the museum went through and still goes through of gathering. I mean, I seem to recall that at the time that, um, that you, that the staff, the new staff was working on getting the museum up and running, that there were people in my neck of the woods. I grew up over near Chum Carey, between Chum Carry and Clayton, who were donating items. How did that work? I mean, obviously you had to go and search,

Heather: (12:34)
You know, um, I honestly wasn’t here 25 years ago when they started that out. I’m not sure the exact process that they went through. But the way a lot of museums do operate, you, you rely really on the generosity of your community and the state to make those donations. And we usually don’t have to ask. We get donations every day of people coming in. But we also do have development policies. We can’t take everything. Sure. We do have a mission. And, for any museum, not just here, you, you’re limited on space and you can’t take everything and you only wanna take items that you know, you can take care of and protect. So we do try to be, I won’t say picky, but you know, a little you know, remain conscious that we can’t, we can’t take care of everything, but we’re always open to looking at what can be offered, what we currently have, where, where, what are we not, what don’t we have, you know, what is missing. And then, uh, trying to fill those gaps in our story. So definitely reach out if you have something .

Bunny: (13:33)
Well, and you know, everybody’s got a barn full of, of stuff flipped over from, um, prior generations. Talk about the bridge. The bridge is, I mean, it’s the large, do you call it the largest artifact? Uh, what do you

Heather: (13:51)
? It probably is one of our largest artifacts. Um, it definitely doesn’t require as much work as some of the others. We have a, a lot of wagons tho those take a lot of work. Oh, yeah. Uh, yeah, the bridge is, is great. It, it’s part of a historic bridge that was moved a a couple of times. Um, but it, it’s actually under a renovation right now where it’s getting a fresh coat of paints and a little bit of a facelift. Uh, we love it because it allows us to access both halfs of our property. It goes right over in Aroyo. Um, and it is that, that iconic, you know, when people walk in, they, they see that bridge and they love to get their pictures taken there.

Bunny: (14:29)
So you have the bridge that spans the arroyo. Where, where did it come from? Do you, I think it was it, I think it was over the, over the Pecos River.

Heather: (14:39)
It was, it was, it moved twice, if I remember correctly.

Bunny: (14:43)
It is so cool. It’s a great place to take family photos. I mean, do you have people, do people come out and hang out and do like family portraits or engagement photos?

Heather: (14:53)
They do. It’s a very popular place, especially when they have weddings here. They’ll go and have that as their backdrop.

Bunny: (15:01)
Well, it’s like, I, it seems like I’ve seen some family photos taken against your windmill with the Organ Mountains in the background. So, um, it is an amazing backdrop.

Heather: (15:13)
It is.

Bunny: (15:14)
Yes. Yes. And there was one other, oh, I’m a big fan of Peter Herd. Do you still have this, the Peter Herd exhibit? Is that a permanent exhibit?

Heather: (15:26)
We do have, um, the charcoal drawing, uh, that was the original sketch for, uh, what is in the library in Artesia, the, the actual, uh, larger artwork. So we do have, still have that on display.

Bunny: (15:39)
Oh, okay. Okay. Because I saw that. And here’s another cool thing. Um, if you ha if you grew up on a farmer ranch and had livestock in New Mexico, I’m gonna tell you that, and I hope you still have this, Heather, cuz I thought it was so cool. But my grandfather’s brand is, was on the wall down there somewhere. Do you still have that, where you have everybody’s brands on the wall?

Heather: (16:00)
We, they’re not on the wall. They’re actually in our courtyard. Yeah, in the courtyard, in the stone. So there’s actually, um, pieces of metal in the concrete. Um, so you can walk along and see each one of the brands. And then we have a resource room here, uh, where we have brand books. And you can come in and we have an archivist who will help you, uh, research your family brand, um, as well as your family history connected to your family ring.

Bunny: (16:28)
Because I was at, you know, my mom is the youngest of 10, and we were at home, um, a couple of weeks ago in Logan. And I said, mom, where is our brand? Because, um, a friend of mine who has a steakhouse and is opening a new one, was saying she wanted to, um, use our family brand. Um, that’s how she’s gonna identify the booths. And, and my mom’s like, I don’t even know what it looked like. So you have those records?

Heather: (17:00)
We do. We do. So you can come, like I said, we have a resource room and a wonderful archivist who, who will help you with all of that research and can always reach out to her. Um, give our call or email her and, and she’ll help you. You don’t even have to come in.

Bunny: (17:14)
Oh, good. That’s exciting. That’s really exciting. Mm-hmm. . And you also have an incredible art collection, right?

Heather: (17:23)
We do, we do. Um, quite a bit of different, um, uh, paintings, a lot of pencil drawings. Um, Mr. Sheel, uh, we have a lot of his artwork. Tho those were very popular. A lot of pencil sketches of life on ranches. Um, they, they look like photographs. They look very real. And so you get up close and you’re like, oh, oh no, that’s actually drawn. It’s amazing.

Bunny: (17:48)
Nice. So we, so we have talked a lot about the museum, um, but we haven’t… this is the first time I believe that I’ve had somebody who is in Las Cruces on the podcast. I mean, we’re relatively new. I think we’re at like 31 episodes. So, um, let’s just assume, because this is very true mm-hmm. , we have a lot of people, um, listening to the podcast who have never been to New Mexico, maybe have never even been to the United States. So I want, um, Las Cruces to, for those of you who have never been there, is, um, in the southern most part of the state, just, are you 60 miles from El Paso?

Heather: (18:33)
Uh, might even be closer. It, it doesn’t take long to get to the border. Maybe half an hour.

Bunny: (18:38)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. So maybe, maybe more like 35 to 40 miles mm-hmm. . But talk, tell, tell people about Las Cruces. Tell, tell folks what you love about it.

Heather: (18:49)
Well, that, that’s a big reason right there. We are very, very close to the border with not only Texas, but also Mexico. So we have a lot of different cultures and a lot of different people who live here, and they’ve all come together and melded. Um, so you have a lot of different experiences. We even, and this is pretty cool, I don’t know how many museums can say this. We get international field trips coming from Mexico.

Bunny: (19:12)
Wow.

Heather: (19:12)
Like on a bus , you know, it’s not like they took, you know, a a, you know, a school trip where they got on a plane and flew. Like, they just come on up for Morris , which is pretty neat.

Bunny: (19:22)
That Is really cool.

Heather: (19:23)
Yeah. We, we had a group here actually, um, earlier in the month, uh, for Morris came on a field trip. So it’s neat to have all these different cultures and, and people traveling back and forth across both borders regularly every day for work. And, um, so you do, you, you see that in the, uh, the culture. You see it in the food. Um, and even I think one of the most fascinating things for me is, you know, I moved here and I knew it was a bilingual state, but the Spanish spoken down here is different than what is spoken in northern New Mexico. And it is even. Yeah. And I was like, wow. Like, I don’t know why I wouldn’t realized that, but it took, witnessing it, and I actually watched two people, to me, to my ears, it sounded like they’re both speaking Spanish and they were, but they couldn’t understand each other. And I was like, this is amazing. Like, you know, there’s so many different versions of even the language, um, from the, I mean it just, it’s every day there’s a new experience. It’s very neat to watch.

Bunny: (20:26)
And the weather is amazing. Mm-hmm.

Heather: (20:28)
Yeah. For someone from Cleveland, Ohio where it snows eight months out of the year, , I love that I have blue sky in sunshine most of the time. It is. I was, and when it snows here, it’s nothing

Bunny: (20:42)
. Right, right. No, I, when I, because I, as I told you earlier, I went to college at New Mexico State, that’s where I went when I first left home. And this was in the day when we, and, and maybe maybe college students still do this when we laid out in the sun the minute, the minute that it got warm enough, and we were doing that like at the beginning of April. We would get outside. I don’t, I don’t know how your weather is this week.

Heather: (21:11)
March has been a little chillier than normal. And again, I hate saying that because 65 is not chilly, but we’re used to it being warmer .

Bunny: (21:18)
Right, right. Well, and the food is pretty amazing. I don’t, I don’t know if you love Green Chili as much as I do, but that’s the other thing about it, is that the food in Las Cruces is different than the food in Santa Fe. Mm-hmm. . So if you’re in aficionado of any New Mexican food, you gotta, you have to experience both.

Heather: (21:40)
You

Bunny: (21:41)
Do. Yeah. So if somebody was coming to Las Cruces for the first time ever, um, what would you suggest that they do o other than coming to the museum?

Heather: (21:52)
Right. We are definitely your number one spot, . Yep. Actually, and I have to do a, a shout out. Our visitors bureau is amazing here. Visit Las Cruces, and they have a whole list. They have a great website where you can actually make your own itinerary based on what you’re looking for. So I always point people to that, you know, are you here for a weekend week? They have a lot of different options, but, um, we have a wonderful farmer’s market on Saturday mornings and Wednesday mornings downtown. Um, lots of different cute shops and restaurants, of course. Hiking trails are everywhere, whether it’s state parks or BLM land. Um, there’s biking trails, uh, gravel trails. It, no matter what you’re interested in, you will find something here. You just have to be willing to go out there and explore and look for it.

Bunny: (22:39)
And when I lived there, when I was a student, one of the coolest places I lived was, I lived in Macia, um, which is, I mean, just down the road, is it like four miles?

Heather: (22:51)
Um, it’s not far

Bunny: (22:53)
. No. And I could walk downtown and sit on the plaza. And, um, that’s where the Treaty of Guadalupe was signed, which, um, gave us that lower part of the state. Um, or, or Las Cruces would’ve been part of Mexico if that hadn’t happened. Right.

Heather: (23:13)
It Was.

Bunny: (23:14)
I hope I’m not mixing that up.

Heather: (23:16)
Some of the, the people who I work with who have lived here their entire lives, they tell me they didn’t move here. The border moved.

Bunny: (23:24)
. That’s hilarious.

Heather: (23:25)
Yeah. Their families didn’t move to the us. The US border moved .

Bunny: (23:29)
That’s cool. And what’s next at the museum? What’s coming up? I know you have one art, um, exhibit that’s going away. What’s, what are people gonna find this summer?

Heather: (23:42)
We do, um, like I said, we at Roy’s rotate out our art corridor with local artists. Um, our, that her land exhibit, we rotate that out about every four or five months. Um, currently we have Ms. Witty up there. Her family, um, has been in the ranching, uh, industry for a long time. Um, we are currently working on an exhibit, we’re partnering with N M S U on, uh, people who worked at the university or attended the university and have made major impacts on the field of agriculture throughout the state and the world. Um, actually not just New Mexico, but worldwide, but were connected to the university. So we’re gonna be doing an exhibit on that. Um, looking at, and, and it’s not just, you know, we talked earlier about what’s beyond farming and ranching and farm implements. These are people who, um, made big strides in food preservation.

Heather: (24:33)
You know, how, how do you preserve food so that you can, you know, farm one day and not have to cook every day, , you know, canning. Um, so that, that’s a really, really great project that we’re working on and being able to always partner with our friends over there. Uh, partnership that we started, um, last fall, uh, we work with our local extension agents, uh, to get the four H shirt in here. Uh, they do an achievement day, and I invited them here to do an entire achievement week where we put their four H projects on display in the museum, and they have judging and they get to have their ribbons up and the public can come in and look at everything that they’ve worked on. So we’re continuing that. Uh, we also work with the farm bureau here and do an ag Explorer, uh, program in April, where school students can come and learn about the ag field. And again, you don’t just have to work with animals or plant seeds to, to work in the ag field and it, and it shows them what else they can do. And if you’re noticing, I’m not talking about, um, traditional exhibits again, where we’re always putting artifacts on display with the text panel. You know, we’re these are living, breathing exhibits.

Bunny: (25:43)
Yeah, I want people to understand sure, that, I mean, ag isn’t just, um, you know, what my dad did, which is, you know, plowing large swaths of land and, I mean this ag is, is, um, growing organic vegetables and, um, growing hemp or cannabis. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s not quite the industry that it was probably, I’d say 70 years ago when my dad began his farming career. Mm-hmm. . It’s very different, isn’t it?

Heather: (26:16)
It is very true. And that’s something that we wanna bring in. You know, STEM is really popular in the schools and just letting everyone know about that, as well know, farmers are using GPS now. They’re using drones, they’re turning on their watering systems from their smartphone. You know, they don’t have to drive all the way out into the field and turn, you know, a rusted knob and hope that it doesn’t break. , you know, there, there’s a lot more to farming and agriculture than Yeah. The way we grew up.

Bunny: (26:43)
Well, and it’s so essential. I mean, we’re all eating, you know. A couple of young women who, one of whom is a, uh, married into a well, and she came from, so didn’t just marry into a large dairy farms in Curry County. And, um, we, they were on the, the two of them, and one of them is in Nebraska, and the two of them have a podcast called Discover Ag. And, um, they weekly, these, I mean, these young women in their late twenties and thirties, and they’re online every week educating people about where food come from, comes from, as well as, um, some of the really prevalent myths that are, that are propagated about, um, you know, meat production and dairy production. And I mean, I think we just have to educate ourself about mm-hmm. , where, where food comes from, the history, um, the really rich history of food production in New Mexico and where it’s going. I think it’s, it’s really cool what you’re doing, Heather. I love it.

Heather: (27:57)
Well, and you know, you bring up a great point, whether it’s, um, agriculture or history in general, you can’t make it black and white. No. Everything is intertwined and gray and it, it’s all sticky and one things that we strive to do. You know, at museums we don’t, we don’t take a stance. We don’t create a thesis. Um, but we do try to show all sides to everything. And if it provokes you to wanna go learn more and explore or even think about something a little differently than we’ve done our job we’re not here to tell you what to think, just to encourage you to, to explore.

Bunny: (28:32)
To think . Yes.

Heather: (28:34)
Yeah. Yeah. Or just, you know if even a month down the road you look at a tree differently, or a feel differently, or that farmer that you see in the store differently, you know, cool. Then, then we made a little bit of a difference.

Bunny: (28:46)
Nice. Mm-hmm. . Well, Heather, I’m coming down sometime soon. Good. On, I wanna come down and take a look and we will post, we’ll have links to the website, um, but if somebody, let’s say somebody’s driving through the day they hear the podcast, give folks the address, tell ’em where they can find you.

Heather: (29:09)
Um, we’re at 4,100, uh, ding Springs Road. We are east of, uh, 25. So, um, I 25 kind of follows the Rio Grande, north and South, and the Oregon Mountains also run north and south. So we are nestled between the mountains and the highway . And we are about a mile from the university, not far at all. Um Right. We also, real close to us are several of the hiking trails. So a lot of times people hit us either two or from the trail heads.

Bunny: (29:36)
Nice

Heather: (29:37)
It’s just beautiful. It really is. And we are, are kind of across the street from Tortuga Mountain, which is a really great short hike, and you can look out over the city and our museum, our entire campus.

Bunny: (29:50)
Well, I can’t wait to come back. Yeah, I can’t. I it’s gonna be so much fun. Thanks for taking time to visit with me about it.

Heather: (29:56)
Yeah, thank you. No, I love to share it. It, it’s like nowhere I’ve ever been before, so it’s always good to explore and, and the whole state, I mean, I can go an hour in any direction and have a completely different experience.

Bunny: (30:09)
it, it’s pretty cool. That’s true, that’s true. You know what, what a lot of people don’t know is that New Mexico has every temperate zone except for tropical. So you can go from the son snoring, desert to alpine forest, um, and really from where you are a couple of hours.

Heather: (30:30)
Yeah. Makes great, great weekend trips.

Bunny: (30:32)
? Yes. Yes. Okay, Heather, we’ll, we’ll talk again and I hope to see you soon.

Heather: (30:37)
Absolutely. Come on down. We always have something new going on.

Bunny: (30:41)
Good.